» May 8, 2008 in

Minisites are all the rage at the moment. Go find a script that makes a quick site, load it up with some keywords, then wait for the money to roll in ;) LOL

I'll give you some pointers I use when making a profitable minisite and then hopefully you can add some ideas in the comments and make a real good post here.

What Does It Take To Be Profitable?



A .com domain only costs $7 at most registrars. I highly recommend you go with a .com.

(if you are a sucker for the dirt cheap .infos (like I am sometimes) well, just remember you are going to be paying the same as a .com to renew the thing forever except you are stuck with a stinky .info)

Hosting is almost irrelevant, you can pay less than $10 per month to host thousands of domains so we won't even count this cost.

So you need a site to make more than $7 PER YEAR and you have a winner.

Here's how I would do it.

Keyword RICH Domain



I love a keyword rich domain. I think this creates an asset for you from day one.

I'm not talking about keywordfunny.com or keyword101.com. I'm talking exactkeyword.com.

I already wrote about how you can find keywords WITH traffic as your EXACT domain name (I know I never give specifics on how to do this stuff, LOL): How To Find A Domain Name That Contains Keywords With Existing Traffic

Basically you dump your keyword lists into the godaddy bulk transfer tool and BAMMO you get a list of domains with exact keywords and already have traffic.

Building The Site



DO NOT use Build a Niche store (BANS) or Associomatic (amazon store) or any script that anybody else can download and build the exact same thing.

Think about it. You make a page/site on elliptical trainers. It takes me 2 seconds to duplicate your site. In fact many people are probably duplicating your sites and don't even know it just by picking random keywords.

Unique Product Mashups The ONLY way to fly in my book is to do some creative mashing up of the data to make unique pages.

Of course I've already talked about this here: Their Content - Your Money - An Intro To Mashups For Seo

Tracking



Now that you've got your keyword rich .com domain with some almost unique content it's time to do some tracking.

Traffic is important to track but vary's by trends, holidays, seasons, etc.

Pages in google's index on the other hand is the lifeblood of a site (assuming we are building a minisite for good old fashioned google seo).

If the pages aren't in google's index it won't matter what season it is, the traffic won't come (from seo).

I developed an in house script that grabs the pages indexed for every one of my domains. I can easily see if there is a problem or if something isn't getting indexed enough.

If you want to make a script yourself you can easily do it by modifying the script in the post: Find Keywords With Traffic But Little Competition

Only Start From Scratch Once



Another homegrown "thing" i've made is a keyword tracker. Every time there is a search query it is put in a database that is central to all of my sites.

People PAY for keyword data and most people get it free but never look at it.

You will find exactly why people are coming to your site, what keywords they use, long tail keywords, misspellings, etc.

And if they made it to your minisite through seo the terms are probably easy to rank for.

Honestly I find it fun starting a new niche blindly based on keyword research and finding valuable domains, however if you track your keywords you should find enough opportunity there to always have ideas to either

1. start another, similar, minisite

2. add more pages that are related to the rest of the site based on the keywords

Monetization



Always use affilaite content to mix up to get affiliate sales and adsense works in addition to this.

That's It



I have about 150 sites but my new goal is to get to 1000. I'm also working on systems to do this and automate as much as possible. Bunches of this will be done with minisites.

I'm not spamming or even greyhat, I just think I can make a minisite and get some pages indexed instead of putting a parking page there that can make more than $7 per year ;) I'll find out.

That's it for me. That's the basics of my minisite.

1. Find a keyword rich domain. That's an asset on day 1 ;)

2. Build a "unique" site, not something out of a box

3. Monitor your sites pages indexed to know when something is good or bad

4. Track your keywords to improve the site or make new sites

One Last Thing



I wouldn't recommend going out and busting out 100 sites tomorrow. I would find something that worked, then try it again, maybe 5 times. If it still works pretty well, THEN I would go gangbusters ;)

But what do I know, I'm only sitting on like 150 domains, I'm a newbie for sure.

Your turn, drop some tips, leave a comment, followup with a blog post, share the knowledge :-)

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Mark says on May 9, 2008

I too am working on setting up some mini sites for the eBay affiliate program using my own script. The key thing about building a network, I think, is the ability to scale. Having a solid system in place before you start replicating, is crucial. I have made that mistake with other sites, where problems in one turn into problems across an entire network.

I'm very new to this too, so it is more trial and error than anything at the moment. Would love to hear what other people think.
45n5 says on May 9, 2008

@mark - thanks for the comment, just be sure that what you are scaling works first ;)
Dave Starr says on May 9, 2008

Indeed. People so seem to forget that any site that makes more than 7 or 8 bucks a year is a winner. I put up a ste a couple months ago based on a keyword I want to push ... haven't even put the affilates I want in place, and it has already made 5 times it's annual costs with some infrequent AdSense hits (hint, don't use ketwords that only pay a penny!)

Eeven if I never get affiliate income moving on it,it gets more traffic every month just from organic searches and should easily make 20x its cost in a year ... no maintenance at all, I visit once amonth to look at stats and clean up logs. ~$100 a year sounds like mighty small potatoes, but it's on autopilot and you can't get that kind of ROI at a bank or in the stock market. Of course you could buy and flip houses .... oops, forgot, better not go there...
45n5 says on May 9, 2008

@dave - lol I hate penny clicks.

also, whenever I get to my email again I'll add that blog suggestions of yours, I've been neglecting the email fearing it will consume too much time. but I saw it and thanks for the suggestion, will add soon enough ;)
Dave Starr says on May 9, 2008

NP Mark, you have to focus on the important stuff. Time is the most precious commodity. BTW, I notice that my site that is already in the Top 100 (www.retiredpay.com) doesn't seem to be showing up in money links. It always used to. I'm not sure how Money links captires new posts? Feedburner? A proprietray mehtod? When you have time, if there is anyhting I need to do from my end, just holler. Thanks for the support.
Greg from Homebizseo.com says on May 9, 2008

WOW!!! 150 sites with a goal 1000. You must be a great manager of time. HOw do you coordinate your time to build backlinks to help with SERP. What are the links to the 150 sites?
Kate@FullTiltBlogging.com says on May 9, 2008

Great article. I'm just starting to trial this idea myself.
Jorge says on May 9, 2008

affilaite content of confidence to put on the mini? eBay? Amazon? which more are there?
soo says on May 9, 2008

I'm building a minisite now, actually my first one. Do you have any pointers on parsing an remote XML response from a shopping site API? That's my biggest hurdle right now. I'll keep an eye on this thread, or feel free to send me an email if you have an answer.

Thanks!
Jonathan (Trust) says on May 9, 2008

"Minisites are all the rage at the moment. Go find a script that makes a quick site, load it up with some keywords, then wait for the money to roll in ;) LOL"

Normally I agree with you but just found this one pretty much off on many levels. The rage? This sounds like stuff from years ago. $6 $7 year in profit? How long does it take to make a mini site? If making one takes less than an hour, you would make more flipping burgers for an hour. If it doesn't take much to get one up, you'll find out for the most part you get what you put. These type sites are usually buried in Never Never Land.

Now I'm all for this and people listening to this advice because you could possibly be killing off what could be future competition, keep them busy chasing the dream of throwing up garbage and wait for the money to roll in. Ask people who have solid sites, sites they've built up, quality sites. They can put up a page on those type of authority sites and it'll get indexed and rank well in hours sometimes. The little keyword domain site that took you minutes to put up, isn't going to do squat. Take a look at who you're competing against out there, why would it.
45n5 says on May 9, 2008

@trust - I do it as a glorified parking page (I want to be a next gen domainer) and $7 per year is only the base to break even. I have dozens of minisites that took less than an hour to make that bring in $30 to $60 per month, every month.

Also, If minisites weren't the "rage" (as I say tongue in cheek) then every one and their sister wouldn't be buying/talking about those build a niche stores.

@soo - simplexml

http://www.devshed.com/c/a/PHP/Introducing-SimpleXML-in-PHP-5/

@homebiz - links aren't that important, as long as they get indexed that's good with me. I wouldn't waste the effort trying to "rank" long tail minisite pages, you should automagically, plus choosing exactkeyword.com will help bunches with ranking.
Jonathan (Trust) says on May 9, 2008

"Also, If minisites weren't the "rage" (as I say tongue in cheek) then every one and their sister wouldn't be buying/talking about those build a niche stores."

Must be the rage on How To Make Money Online blogs. Run from them while you can, break free of their grasp :)
Kevin says on May 9, 2008

What was the script that you used that scraped google's indexed pages against your website content...
(In youtube video, -2:03 OR 2:14 on timeline)

This sounds handy.

Regards
45n5 says on May 9, 2008

@trust - lol

@kevin - the basics are here but you gotta roll your own from there:

http://www.45n5.com/permalink/find-keywords-with-traffic-but-little-competition.html
Michelle says on May 9, 2008

I'm very impressed with your 150 sites Mark.

At the moment I'm only running about 10-15 but have got fixated on the idea of everything needing fresh content all the time.

This has left me feeling disillusioned about my hopes for great affiliate success as I couldn't work out when I would find the time to fit anything else in.

Your post was great timing as it's snapped me out of that and made me realise it's worth getting a whole load of mini sites up because as you say they've only got to make a few dollars to break even..
David at FullTiltBlogging.com says on May 9, 2008

Hi Mark,

I'm impressed that you've built 150 minisites. I'm even more impressed that you're planning on building 1000 more. However, if everyone is doing it, as you say, maybe it's time to do something else? You know what I mean? Consider these two points:

1) Do you really make big money just following the crowd? You certainly can make money if you're smart (like you are), but maybe there's better opportunity somewhere else, where no one else is looking?
2) Google is constantly making changes to improve their search functionality. Sites that provide real value to people will get real boosts in rankings, whereas it seems to be that minisites relying on keywords will continually be punished. This doesn't mean that there isn't a market for niche minisites, just that there future in the long term may not be that bright. On the other hand, nothing lasts forever, does it?

I guess in the end, you have to do what works for you. If you're a genius at making them, then maybe you should. To me though, a 1000 sites sounds like madness. But that's just me :)

This post has been featured in FullTiltBlogging.com's Daily Blog Summary today. Great post!
45n5 says on May 9, 2008

@Michelle - just make sure you find a formula that works for you before you start duplicating it over and over

@david - sure I think doing your own thing is the way to go, that's why I don't recommend using out the box scripts.

I'm also not worried about google ranking me too low, I go for long tail phrases with little search results anyway, sometimes I'll be the only result ;)

thanks for the mention on your site.
Zac Johnson says on May 9, 2008

Mini niche sites are pretty cool, so don't get too hard on yourself for only having 150! :)

I just don't seem to have the time to get it going, but I really want to build a collection of niche sites, then have a master site/blog that links and connects to them all. Once you have all of the smart parts out there, it will be easier (and fun) to build up the master site.

I'll keep you updated.
Trading site says on May 9, 2008

I would be curious to know automated mashup site vs a mini site with well written ten orginal articles related to a niche and revnue comparision from both.

45n5 () says on May 9, 2008:
@trading site - depends on the site ;) I have both, 10 page sites that were hand written and do well and autogenned sites.

@zac - thanks, I'm going through my inventory right now and improving what I got, doing the once over, then I'll be adding in the near future.
Marc Eilbeck says on May 10, 2008

Great video mark. Ive started creating niche sites too and so far I am enjoying profit, but I'm a little bit behind you with the amount of sites I only have 8!
soo says on May 10, 2008

Thanks for that link! This is pretty exciting stuff :D

have a great weekend.
Scott says on May 11, 2008

Mark,

I really like the mini-sites. I have been building minisites with Wordpress and am pleased with the results so far.

I have been concentrating on mini's that I can advertise on Craigslist and been just using sub-domains until I get serious about it.

I have linked to one, let me know what you think. It is not all mashed up, but uses links to eBay and AdSense.

Scott




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